Clothing and Style, Ugh..this is so annoying. My problem is that i have to pick between: – Correct sleeve length but baggy chest (Large) It makes an awkward situation where Medium size clothes fit me perfectly but the shoulders, meaning I have to go Large as Medium makes my shoulders too stressed. Well, where you run into a problem there is this: the average American man is 5’9″ or so, and is SUPPOSED to weigh in, if he is at a healthy body mass for his height, at ABOUT 165-170 lbs soaking wet. In addition, if you live in a small town, good luck in obtaining anything in your size. Wtf… I’m going to give a few larges a go and see what happens. I am the tall wife of a short guy. Uniqlo as well, I feel like they run true to size, I wear my normal size there (S). Size 6 (American sizing). Never miss a post, plus grab this free guide (instant download). and believe me, I’m the kind of person who gets away with wearing children’s clothes all the time. [In checking around it looks like for Fall 2003 they are back to tall and very thin - 5' 9 to 5'10", size 2 to 4 but I think they would love size 0. Gentlemen I urge you to buy the size that fits your shoulders and hips. It has nothing to do with attracting viewers, because few if any models wear bras during runway shows ever, and they are rarely on TV. To date, it’s still one of the most popular blog posts on this site. Have you tried ordering the medium? I’m just as boggled as the author by people our height wearing medium. The nature of trends is itself a fleeting one; they change with a blink of an eye. 25 Great Watches For Small Wrists (Updated for 2021), The Complete Guide to Business Casual Style for Men [2021], A Beginner’s Guide to Cutting Your Own Hair at Home. They have bird bone structures. Next month I am travelling to Hong Kong and I hope to find clothes that fit the shorter man. There are many plus-size consumers who have expressed their sadness over Zara not catering to them, and frankly, it’s such a huge shame.”, Sara Brown, Influencer and Fashion Designer, “When shopping in Zara, I have started seeing a few more items available in bigger sizes—even going up to a size XXL. O.G. I’m in agreement and empathise with your sense of frustration. yeah those models may be wearing a medium but i guarantee they are clipped in the back then…and I still doubt they are a medium. You have it all wrong, it’s the tall people they hate. It’s only right! Large clothes are not designed for tall people. Still, I don’t always have a whole day just to get a decent shirt, and I’d much prefer to buy a quality brand where I KNOW it’s going to fit. In the past couple of years Uniqlo has opened in my neck of the woods and I find many of their items fit me well, although the sleeves on their blazers are usually far too long. By launching a brand dedicated to shorter men, you are effectively creating those missing SKUs. To give you an idea, I’m somewhere around 6’1″ to 6’2″ (depends on when in the day you measure), and I typically weigh between 182 and 200 lbs, depending on how much muscle I’ve put on or lost. In general, Its all about stretch and oversized pieces for me.”, “Before becoming a model, I worked in an Inditex store (not Zara, but Stradivarius, which is part of the same family), and both stores have identical sizes. Brock, I’m very much in agreement with you here. The 6-footer wears a medium, because the neck of a large is loose, the shoulders sag, and the armpits flap. Find out about various stores and you will eventually figure out where to get shirts that fit you. This way manufacturers can make less variety. I’m 5’6″ and about 130lbs slightly athletic build. Another thing that isn’t being mentioned here; While I do believe the information being provided (model height, size they are wearing) is often correct and that these models are certainly not the norm, the clothing they are wearing often appears too small in the pictures. Here’s to everyone finding clothes that make them feel good, whether tall or short or skinny or fat. I firmly believe this is because if they rolled them down they would be ridiculously short. A toddler’s !? This is based on my own experiences as a 6′ 175# (tall and average to slim body type) male. And we’re not going to lie—it wasn’t easy! I know that 'regular models' wear a size zero or maybe a 1 or a 2, but if a normal girl wishes to model, and she's got the looks, what size clothing do they wear? Let’s try a different shirt, different model: Hmm…that’s weird. As a 5’10” woman, I can tell you that it is pretty ironic to know that all fashion models are my height (but close to half my weight, too many pies, not enough running, mea culpa), yet all the clothes in the shops seem tailored for a 5’5″ woman. Then have the details tailored. Its sharp tailoring and minimalistic, neutral pieces have always stood out for me. Have you tried the women’s clothing section? O.G. Brand equity of Zara – Valued at $ 10.7 bn (May 2016 data) this fashion industry retail giant has bagged 53 rd position in Forbes list of world’s most valuable brands.. I’m not stick thin either but I have a 27 inch waist. She asked what size are the models on Zara website wearing, not go try it for yourself. A couple of thoughts… first, despite the use of oddly sized models, I do believe, based on conversations with friends, that if you are a man in that 5’7′ to 5’10” range than you find plenty of stuff off the rack that fits you. I think you have to observe where the clothes are made and find the ones that best fit your frame. I look alot like these models shown on here. I’m certainly not outside of standard deviation. I’m 5’1” and usually wear an S size (I’m 7 1/2 st but not exactly what you call “flat” around the chest and buttocks) and these descriptions can get so surreal, specially on Adidas and Reebok sites where the “models” are usually 5’11” or even up to 6’1” and always wear size S!! However, its sizes still seem to plateau at a size 16/18. Well Zara actually has their models wear a large, so I ordered a jacket in size small and that was pretty much perfect fit. 67 Popular Fashion Quotes You’ll Love (or Hate), The Complete Guide to Smart Casual Style for Men [2021], A Men’s Guide to Fair Isle Sweaters for 2021, In-Depth Guide: Un-Gendered Fashion and Unisex Clothing Brands, Where to Buy Joggers for Short Men (Hands-On Review), The 10 Best Fall Shoes for Men (2021 Guide). A medium is too loose around my stomach. They certainly look cool on the models and come at an attractive price, but I guess I just have my favorite denim brands and stick with them. Their false advertising is obviously affecting both ends of the spectrum but atleast to get a shirt that is too long you could have it hemmed, they can’t add any more shirt to it when you belly button to your butt crack is all visible. The shirt arrived and of course I was absolutely swimming in it. This is a country that barring an interest in some quarters (such as this one) in well fitting clothing, has no sense of sizing and fit. My intention is to find a few nice pieces and hiring a seamstress or tailor make similar styles for me. My older son is 20 years old and wears mens medium he is 5’7″ and clothes fit him somewhat well. When I buy him extra large he is swimming in it because he isn’t an extra large. It’s the extremes that find no options. Allow me to rant…. I don’t see how any typical 6ft 3 male could possibly have a 38ins chest – I’m 5ft 6 and generally considered slim, and I have a 38ins chest. My shoe size can be anywhere for size 5 to 6. which is NOT a men’s shoe size here in the US. It might fit your needs. My problem is that I want to take advantage of good deals online like guiltgroup and hautelook, and I see that the model is 6’2″ wearing a medium and I lose all confidence in knowledge of my size. these clothes only look like proper fitted on tall guys lol. I have several pairs of women’s oxfords that I have dyed for a more classic, masculine look. Sukoenig is outspoken about the size gap—how when you’re not a “straight” size (a term the industry uses for models who fit the traditional sample size) or “plus” (an often controversial word for sizes above a 12, though models in this category can be as small as a size … So why are all these 6’2″ models wearing medium sized shirts? This is actially easy to explain: because the labeled size of clothing is based on chest girth rather than height. I tend to wear mediums because larges are too big in the shoulders and make me look 10 pounds heavier, but mediums are almost always too short. I think that’s because every short man has felt underserved and ignored by major retailers at some point in his life. The fashion industry definitely seems to believe that the world is made up of petite women and tall, stocky men. I think we can all agree that fat women deserve to clothe themselves with dignity and respect, and we … That’s why I’m excited about your announcement. I try out new brands all the time. What really annoys me is small size clothes that are actually too tight for me in the chest but still much too long in the body and sleeves. I have a sweater from them that fits great (xs), but a Henley in the same size is too big all around. A bit late to the party here but I’ve found that, depending on the brand and fit, clothing sizes for men seem to vary drastically BUT in the west there is a trend toward building around the “average” *American* man. I struggle more with shoes. Tall people are also overlooked. I don’t care about labels. The design is on trend but not trendy – think J. I think the sizing is mostly based on chest size and not height. It’s almost always the correct width but a horribly short length. ‘Ready to wear’ clothing is manufactured with long sleeves and legs because the consumer can remove but not add length to the items. But seriously guys: Are we now gonna act like girls and demand that the industry shows us men who look like an average Joe from the local pub? Our society seems to think that women don't know how to do anything. As someone else noted above, most a very large percentage of Americans are bulked up or overweight. Get out there and show them that you can look amazing! It’s all a matter of designer preference. Honestly man, these models don’t workout, have narrow shoulders, and have relatively small chest sizes for their height. The problem is, so many other manufacturers are making shirts for fat American guys who weigh 30 or 40 lbs more than they’re really supposed to. There’s a new website americantall.com and it is awesome for me! You can follow Brock on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. Plus-size models are simply promoting plus-size clothing. So yeah, not ideal body shape I guess, or maybe the fashion stores should start deviding the shirt sizes into two parameters, waist size and shoulders size? It was large that varied most widely when we checked. A few years ago I asked a sales assistant in Zara to explain their sizing. There have been many times where we’ve had to turn away great models because their shoulders were too wide or had too wide of hips. I had to resign from my role because the uniform didn’t fit. The son who is 6’4″ wears an MT or MXT He would look like a scarecrow if he were to wear an L or XL to accommodate his height. Maybe I need to look at Lands end or Americantall.com that was mentioned in the comment above. Awesome news! As you say, who exactly are these clothes supposed to fit? This article, while heartfelt, is muddling height and girth. Bespoke vs. Made-to-Measure vs. Off the Rack: What’s the Difference? Never understood that either. I’m preaching to the choir, but yes, I’m also incredibly frustrated by the lack of decent looking smart casual and dress clothing for smaller men, and the radically varying sizing between companies/brands. Their designs are original and ironically scream diversity, it’s just a shame their sizes are not aligned.”, Shop Curve-Friendly Zara Pieces, As Recommended By Our Experts, Up Next: 15 “Boring” Staples Every Fashion Editor Can’t Live Without, 5 Curve Models on What's Good and Bad in the "Plus Size" Fashion World, 17 Handbags No One Will Believe You Found on the High Street, 15 “Boring” Staples Every Fashion Editor Can’t Live Without. The stores tend not to size up to a Large as then the clothing would appear baggy on the super-slim and narrow model they are using. Sadly, as is so often the case with plus-size girls, I just look at the accessories, which I use to elevate the pieces I already own. when I graduated. I’m 6’2″, and my roommate is 6’5″. Recently I bought a puffer jacket, after I’ve seen two models wearing it, while is states one is 188cm and wear M and the other one is 186cm and wear L. As I knew there’s no way a Medium would fit me, I’ve chosen the Large, but then again around the waist it was really wide, but I knew if I would have taken the Medium it would put pressure on my shoulders. It’s driving me up the bloody wall. I am glad I found this site. My sense of it is this… First of all, America is a country filled with lots of big and increasingly fat people. It’s a nightmare. For Zara, I feel like they run a bit smaller, but not a huge amount, so I still wear my normal size for clothes there (S). Josh | The Kentucky Gent I’m a Master Life Coach and Hypnotherapist and work with both men and women struggling with there image as it relates to their size anywhere on the spectrum. If you are “big and tall” then you have stores, but I don’t believe there are any “short and small” stores. I’m going to teach myself to tailor shirts because I happen to have a similar problem, larger chest, shoulders and hips, small waist. What could be the expalantion? If you are taller, say up into that 6’2″ range then you’re probably fine, too. It’s supposed to fit better, right? Your email address will not be published. Also, Americans (mostly rural) still prefer loose clothes, and they do not even realize how big it is. When I do wear Large, which go nice on my shoulders, however it makes my waist part look funny, as if I’m larger than I actually am, and in addition the shirts often go way under my waist line and overlay my pants too much. I’m 5’7 178lb. I hope these brands and the people behind them find all of the success they deserve. And appear super-baggy on real people as well. Of course not. Sleeve length will be virtually the same. They claim their short size fits men 5’7″ down to 4;11″. The stigma attached to a plus size clothing. You have trouble finding stuff that fits, I’m 5’10” and was super skinny up until recently (and my older bro was a few inches taller and skinny) and let me tell you that it was very very difficult to find shirts that fit us until the brands you probably hate started hitting American malls (H&M for example). That’s ridiculous (even in Maine). It’s a good thing companies such as the ones you mentioned and yourself are emerging to fight the good fight. So it wasn’t a complete surprise when prestigious lingerie brand Victoria’s Secret picked her to be one of the new Angels. Fit models – both male and female, are aliens. I agree that, for the most part, a muscular physique will fill out clothes in a flattering way, but if you’re 5’6” adding 15 lbs of muscle will barely impact shirt length. Actually I have a Zara jacket that fits well too, although the sleeves are about 2 inches long. Because I know for certain that when 6″3 Hugo Boss is wearing a size M that It will be as tight as a sock on me. and with that said, most high end brands go as far down like XXS. If you like the shape of the fit but the sizing is too big or small, you can go up or down a size. I’m not trying to be arrogant but if you start hitting the gym and bulk up, you’ll won’t ever have to worry about shirt sizes being too big. I have to buy all Large and get my tailor to hem the length and sleeves accordingly. Zara jeans have long been a bit of a mystery to me. How does that even work when a guy 2 or 3 inches taller is apparently wearing a medium? I have dated a number of men who are over 6 feet tall who cant find shirts because they get their size and its a crop top or buy a size or two up which is longer but then is the same width as height so the bigger they get, they assume you are 300lbs at 6 foot 2. Scroll down to see what they said. The size S was for a woman 5’8″ tall. I hear this advice all the time, but I think people vastly overestimate the effect bulking up can have on clothing fit (length, in particular). Doesn’t work if you need to buy the smallest size (S) to fit your shoulders, but it’s too tight everywhere else…. The fit of the shirt COMPLETELY depends on the build of a person’s upper body, especially from working out/gym. But I guess it’s also good to ask why there’s such an impulse to spend money in a shop that so very clearly excludes plus-size women. What kind of shirts are they? While size 4 jeans at American Eagle have a 26.5-inch waist, a size 4 waist is 26 inches at Old Navy and 27 inches at Abercrombie & Fitch. But that doesn't mean I'm not curious. Crew) work out better for you? Shame on this industry for catering to the masses and ignoring us (especially you, L.L. It basically comes down to this – If you aren’t the standard size, you have to try it on. I hav not set foot in Zara again. Yes. I have never seen a retail clothing photo caption that listed anything besides a size M. I honestly think the captions are probably made up (predetermined by marketing people) and not at all factual about the model’s height and shirt size. The sleeves are usually 1/2 an inch too short still with the shirt length a little long, but a Large Tall is just way too baggy and long, even slims (although the shoulders on a large probably fit slightly better, in general a Medium Tall fits better overall). This is especially tough with button ups to wear un-tucked. How the hell are they supposed to make a profit like that? I’m 5’8, 160 lbs with an athletic build and I always fill out the Medium shirts well… as I add on more muscle mass I’ll eventually have to move up to Large (around the 180lb range). There is also a Shoe company in my area, and in most area of the country called SAS. I used to look at it askance myself, but then I did my own comparison (sizes, appearance) and find the info provided as credible. I also find—for some reason—other countries have a better distribution of bigger sizes in their stores. good luck, The tall sizes aren’t any better, they get taller and wider. Also it’s funny how L.L. Firstly, if you intend to buy Zara clothing or footwear online, take measurements. With over 500 physical stores around the world, Zara has managed to always produce clothing that is spot-on trending. “I would say the best way to find stuff that fits you in Zara is to shop online or look in stores in European cities outside the UK. If the large is too big for a 6’4″ guy, how is there any hope for a 5’6″ guy like me? Not ideal, but decent. Required fields are marked *. Also, we may make up a minor segment of the population but there’s still a lot of us; too many for a business to ignore. http://thekentuckygent.com. A while back I expressed my frustration with the clothing industry in this post: Why Does the Clothing Industry Hate Short Men? Unfortunately, Peter Manning is not a solution. The problem is that rather than using curve/plus size models to support this 'campaign', Zara have used the same, slim models they use in every single one of their campaigns. By anyone’s definition of the word, he is not a medium sized man. I was 4’7″ 67 lbs when I started high school and 4’10” 84 lbs. Except…the average 5’9″ American man is anything BUT healthy – instead, the average American man, at 5’9″ or so, weighs about 30 lbs more than he should at that height. Do you feel my pain? I still buy clothes from the children’s section. It’s getting harder and harder to find clothes OTR that fit, especially now that I understand what fit is. High-street giant Zara has been criticised for not stocking anything bigger than a size large, and none of us—no matter our clothing size—should accept this as the norm. I tried to order a shirt online recently. I’m 6’8″ and XL polo shirts may fit my shoulders but they are too short to tuck in and the sleeve sits much higher on my bicep due to relative arm length. I’d recommend either ordering multiple sizes or just going into the shop to try on the garments!”, Stephanie Yeboah, Style Blogger and Writer, “Zara seems to be one of the only remaining stores on the British high street that refuses to cater for its plus-size fans. I’m beginning to think that the only good solution will be to make my own clothing. You would think they would get the hint by now! Note the prices are inversely related to the size of the clothes – the going assumption I guess is that rich people eat slimmer or got rich off their slim appearance or something. From left to right, the models wear a US size 4, a US size 10, and a US size 8. The 5'1" star reportedly now wears a 4 instead of a 0. I get so frustrated when i read about amazing clothes lines only to find out that they dont ship internationally. ! It’s seem to me if you want a shirt that fits comfortable around the neck (I’m 5’3″,.155 lbs., with a 17″ neck), especially if you want to wear a tie, and if you have a 32″ sleeve like I do, you may have to order a custom shirt from somewhere like Paul Fredrick. My sons are 6’0/athletic-slim and 6’4″/slim. However, as a size 20, these are still on the small side for me. For now, I’m buying off-season clothes at sixty + sometimes 70% off and having them altered. Models shirts are custom tailored for models and don’t represent the real product. If we raised our arms half our belly would show. Founding editor of The Modest Man, Brock is an aspiring minimalist who enjoys working out, spending time with his wife and family, traveling and creating great content. Same goes for female models who are 6’+ but extra small in width. It will! Respectfully, I think you are mistaken. there is some dark magic at play with the cameras I believe. If ordering from the Internet, the customer comments are most helpful. It’s frustrating that they do not include the weight of the model in the info. There needs to be more coverage on this clear prejudice in the clothing industry. I wear an L, very seldom M and very seldom XL. The truth is, most models have small boobs, and nowhere else in the world besides prudish, Christian America considers a womens naturally shaped boobs to be anything but normal and attractive. I’m lean and muscular..the way the body is even if you get big it wont lift your shirt like you think @picklerick. Iain, by email. Pretty much every shirt I try on is too short, ending at or just above my belt loops. I am 6’4″, 190lbs, 38-40in chest and 33in pants waist. I am surprised about the Gap. 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